Nope. Black holes aren’t real. Time dilation goes to infinity as escape velocity approaches speed of light. Black hole does not form in finite time, but does evaporate in finite time. No black holes, only dark brown. https://t.co/1nABrZC9ah

— Wolf Tivy (@wolftivy) June 30, 2025

That is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard. It literally cannot work like that. It. Cannot.

That is not how time, physics, or black holes work. Again: It. Cannot. Work. Like. That.

Since the speed of light is the ultimate limit (and that it has a limit), every observer experiences their own frame of reference in finite proper time. From the perspective of an outside observer anything falling into a black hole appears to be “plastered” across the event horizon forever. However, from the perspective of the infalling object, crossing the event horizon is uneventful — assuming the black hole is large enough to avoid spaghettification at the horizon. What this means is that, beyond the event horizon, all possible paths through space and time curve inward toward the singularity.

This isn’t some mysterious thing. We’ve imaged black holes. The math is obvious and verifiable. They exist.

But now for something harder but that has deeper truths, and what I meant above about it simply cannot be that way.

The author’s clownish claim that black holes don’t form in finite proper time and that they do evaporate in finite time is self-contradictory based on the speed of light and the laws of entropy.

That is because causality paired with light speed definitionally ensure local, finite evolution. And entropy (classical or quantum) requires the event horizon to exist in order to account for the information and energy involved.

For the author’s claim to stand, you’d have to ignore the speed of light and local physics. The goofus says: “Time dilation goes to infinity as escape velocity approaches the speed of light. Therefore, the black hole never forms.” This is not how relativity works. Like, at all. Time dilation only appears to external observers. And as I said in different words above, locally, matter crosses the event horizon in finite proper time. GR is a local theory — physics at each point in spacetime only cares about its own neighborhood, subject to light cones and the (space-time) metric.

So the event horizon forms from the falling matter’s frame. You can’t just privilege the observer at infinity and ignore the local process. It does not (and again, cannot) work like that. If black holes didn’t form because “you can’t see something cross the horizon,” no process that approaches light speed could ever complete. And yet we’ve built particle accelerators.

In short, this doof’s absurd assertions violate causal consistency in general relativity by privileging one frame’s illusion (infinite time dilation) over the local frame’s finite process.

Let’s say that Wolf Mutt is right that nothing ever forms a black hole because it never fully collapses in visible time. Then we can ask, what exactly happens to the entropy of the collapsing matter? If the matter is collapsing but never crosses the horizon, then its entropy is still “accessible.” But to whom? You’d have a singularity-like object with infinite time dilation visible externally but still generating entropy…by magic? That doesn’t even make the least lick of sense (because it’s im-fucking-possible).

The above contradicts both Bekenstein-Hawking entropy (that the entropy of a black hole is proportional to event horizon area) as well as the Generalized Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states that entropy never decreases. And the event horizon’s entropy must count if you’re going to conserve information globally as Mutt attempts to.

So if a black hole never forms, where does this area-based entropy even come from? Without a black hole formation, you cannot explain nor account for:

• Hawking radiation (the BH evaporation process the author is also relying on)
• The thermal spectrum (this is more complicated than I have time to explain)
• Black hole thermodynamics

If you say, “the object never becomes a black hole,” then you’ve erased the very entropy reservoir needed to make Hawking evaporation even make sense. It’s like saying a campfire smokes like mad but never ignites.

Now let’s take a peek at the quantum side, where the author is still of course also grievously and hilariously incorrect. In quantum gravity contexts (e.g., AdS/CFT, firewall arguments, fuzzballs, etc.), black holes are consistent quantum states with defined entropy. Denying their existence breaks the unitarity and thermodynamic bookkeeping of quantum field theory.

“The black hole never forms” that denies the event horizon is contradictory with the “But it evaporates,” as the evaporation relies on the presence of an event horizon to define Hawking radiation and entropy loss.

The author’s own “proof” is at odds with itself, along with about half a dozen other factual errors that also doom it. Idiot.