Pickup artists are a disease on the face of human culture.
But it’s not just due to their misogyny and entitlement that they are hated: no, it’s because many of their techniques work, and work well.
Note that I am not saying their techniques are justified or appealing. Honestly the world would be better off by far if they all left. For like Jupiter.
But why people despise them is not the nominal reasons pointed out when that antipathy is expressed, because if their techniques were completely ineffectual they’d not even be relevant.
Women and men despise them because it is a relatively-effective tactic that low-status men (note: I also don’t buy into their construction of alpha and beta males, but some related concepts are useful) have of obtaining something they would not otherwise be able to, and this deeply offends people. Not because of misogyny, again. Misogyny has nothing at all to do with it for most people– no, this is of the same sort of offense as if a hobo walked into a high-end restaurant and was seated and treated like a valued and wealthy patron.
The misogyny excuse is just tacked on after the abhorrence is already solidified as an excuse or post hoc justification, for in reality the real contempt arises from the violation of status norms.
A way to check this contention is to notice that when already high-status men who aren’t self-described PUAs use exactly the same techniques, it is considered “cute flirting” instead of high-pressure PUA tactics.
PUAs are hated because they are Weberian status violators, as I noted above, not because of their real and despicable misogyny. That explains the out sized vitriol they receive when other far worse problems that women face receive little to no attention.
Attempted and especially successful status jumping is always punished most severely in human cultures.
Weberian status violators? Nice pun.
Your metaphor of a “a hobo walked into a high-end restaurant and was seated and treated like a valued and wealthy patron” more closely applies to other situations.
I see far more rage from PUAs/MRAs/most men/some women if they see a fat/nonwhite/ugly woman with a high status man than the obverse. I see much more anger when a non-attractive woman has something because so many people think she doesn’t deserve anything because she’s ugly. Ugly woman hits on me? Instant fucking rage. I don’t see women going from zero to boiling over broke men. I have never seen any of my tall girlfriends get super angry because some short dude hits on them and they’re angry he’s short.
Want to see some rage? Talk to some interracial couples.
PUAs/MRAs are not Weberian status violators, they uphold the status quo and they are angry because they think deserve thin conventionally attractive women/ trophy girlfriend experiences and they did not get them in the past/present. There are very few people who are absolutely unable to attract anyone, but there are quite a few people who feel complete antipathy towards those who’d have them.
If reducing women to to an status object/experience isn’t misogyny, then I don’t know what it is.
I’m not sure where I said it wasn’t misogyny?
“PUAs are hated because they are Weberian status violators, as I noted above, not because of their real and despicable misogyny.”
Like above, I make it clear that they are very much misogynistic, which they are. But that is not the primary reason they are despised.
I despise them for their misogyny. I don’t believe most others truly do.